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Post by Sleeper Agent on Jul 16, 2017 22:57:49 GMT
"C.S Lewis meets H.G. Wells meets Father Christmas, that's the Doctor" I can't say I'm thrilled by this, in fact I was lamenting Billy Piper's passing comment a while back that the new Doctor should be a woman just because the show 'had been there and done everything else'. Now I know the gender swap groundwork has been laid well in advance, as we've had reference in The Doctor's Wife, Night of Doctor, Missy and that one Timelord in Hell Bent but I was hoping we'd go on a bit longer until the inevitable happened. I've nothing against Jodie Whittaker from what little i've seen her in and I wish her luck but she's got some big shoes to fill i'll say that much. Just to finish I really enjoyed the tail end of the season, couldn't of had a better Master swan song as the fans got their cake and ate it too. If you've not seen it by now then don't read on but by that I mean we got Michelle Gomez's brilliant Missy brake through the endless cycle of being the villain only for old school Master to prevent the whole thing as his legacy (the world loves a b*stard clause basically). In an ongoing show or franchise the ever repeating cycles between trying to take the show in a new direction and giving fans what they want is something of a classic catch 22 so I couldn't of seen how this problem could of been better executed than in their final scene together. Really gutted Capaldi's time is already up but the teaser for his Christmas special send off is rather intriguing, can't wait
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Jul 17, 2017 11:49:23 GMT
So obviously, I've found out the news and I feel like I'm the only person that doesn't really have any issues with it. I mean, I've seen various comments and watched a couple of response and reaction videos on YouTube, and honestly... Some people are going rather over the top with their issues. I kind of gathered that one way or the other, that a minority were going to have a moan, groan and rant about who the 13th Doctor would be. Plus, I wonder what would have happened if the 13th Doctor was revealed as green skinned with gills, what would that reaction would have been?
What I'm curious about is the following: a) Will there be a Male Companion for the 13th Doctor or will Bill stick around, and b) Will the Tardis be referred to as old boy than old girl? But generally, I've no issues with the change in the Doctor whilst those ranting completely over the top on the web need to grow-up, get a serious life and just wait until the performance of the 13th Doctor is unveiled because you can't judge solely by appearances.
So, I shall look forward to seeing Capaldi's swansong and the arrival of unlucky 13.
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Post by Spencer26 on Jul 17, 2017 14:03:33 GMT
I should probably first say that I'm not really that big a fan of Doctor Who, as my family is more interested in in than I. That being said, I like the idea of a female Doctor. People are complaining "Why are there so many female lead characters in movies and TV shows now?". That's because the majority of media have men as the main characters, despite the fact that there are overall more women than men on Earth. In times like this, when so many countries have such backward views, and the leader of my country was once quoted as saying that he likes to "grab 'em by the p-ssy", we need feminism now more than ever, and if you honestly have a problem with this, well, than I have no business talking with you.
TLDR: Female Doctor is good, stop whining.
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Post by pugsy on Jul 17, 2017 14:13:47 GMT
At least we got David Bradely back as the first doctor, hes not a 100% perfect imitation of William Hartnells performance, personally I think both he and Richard Hurndall were (strangely enough) too old to play the first doctor, after all when W.H and J.Pertwee first took on the role, the latter was only 4 years younger, but Bradely is as decent as we could get in 2017, does anybody else feel like Sean Pertwee should come in as Jon pertwee at some point?
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Jul 18, 2017 16:06:20 GMT
Obviously, we've heard and read some of the reactions to the 13th Doctor being a Woman. Check this out:
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Post by OJ on Jul 18, 2017 17:10:38 GMT
I really hope this recent DR who news is not going to turn into some stupid gender war. It was bad enough with the Ghostbusters scenario last year. Any one who genuinely thought it was going to be bad got attacked and labeled sexist. This is what happened with Angry Videogame Nerd and an american reporter who gave it a bad review also got attacked by feminists.
In the last 48 hours I'm seeing more or less the same thing as the Ghostbusters reboot. I didn't like that myself due to the cast and director. Yes This Dr Who female is huge change. I remain neutral with this huge argument. Yes it can seem like pandering and PC but a female DR Who was/is inevitable. If anything This female DR will open new doors for the future. Now the DR can change genders, can it change races? or nationalities? Or can it even change to look like an alien? I've not seen anything with this new Dr Who actress so I'll wait to see it before I give final opinion. If it's good then I'm sure people will warm up to Jodie Whittaker. I hope she has a successful run.
As I say hopfully the gender war won't get bad and anyone who is involved in one, please I ask you before it escalates. Respect each others views. You don't have to like them or agree with them. If you want to watch the new Dr Who watch it. if you don't don't.
Unlike Ghostbusters 2016 this is still part of the DR Who series. It's not like 54 years worth of adventures have been thrown out the window now is it?
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Post by Looney Conductor on Jul 18, 2017 18:05:32 GMT
I'm glad of my decision to stop watching the show a couple years ago.
I'm going to be honest about this. As a Catholic, I think its absolutely disgusting that the BBC is using Doctor Who to introduce children to the errors of transgender ideology by having the main character literally transform from a man into a woman.
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Jul 18, 2017 19:44:16 GMT
The BBC is a bit liberal in general but I hardly think they're using Doctor Who as an insidious springboard for gender and transgender equality I admit I could of done without the rather unconvincing lesbian dinosaur relationship side plot but you can probably put that down to Moffat trying to make a support character quirky and rememberable. I rather enjoyed the parody vid above and relish the inevitable News Wipe version but I frankly have little time to go through people's reactions about Jodie Whittaker or any other actor for that matter because I don't really care what others think. The pages and pages of Moffat haters on various platforms alone makes me feel a bit green around the gills to be honest, was the Russell T Davies era really that impeccable? To summarise I plan the watch the new season as i've enjoyed the last and the ones prior to that but it's just entertainment at the end of the day and if you don't like then stop watching it. At least we got David Bradely back as the first doctor, hes not a 100% perfect imitation of William Hartnells performance, personally I think both he and Richard Hurndall were (strangely enough) too old to play the first doctor, after all when W.H and J.Pertwee first took on the role, the latter was only 4 years younger, but Bradely is as decent as we could get in 2017, does anybody else feel like Sean Pertwee should come in as Jon pertwee at some point? I'de be lying if I said i've seen more than 10 minutes of William Hartnell so i'm not really qualified to compare but I enjoyed Bradley's impression of him in the special and glad he's back to teach/remind Capaldi a thing or two. Pertwee again i've not seen much of as Tom Baker was the earliest Doctor i've really seen properly but looking up Sean it could certainly be worth trying an audition scene or two if a decent script idea for the 3rd Doctor comes to pass and take it from there.
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Post by Two Red Engines on Jul 18, 2017 20:59:06 GMT
Frankly, I'm not surprised that the Doctor is going to become a woman - since his appearance changes during regeneration, including bone structure, facial features, body build, etc, it was probably only a matter of time until he became a she. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but what I have to say to some of those people who have posted such horrible comments about Jodie Whittaker being the Doctor is this: You have somehow clearly managed to miss the whole point of regeneration! Besides, the Master became Missy, didn't s/he? Anyway, I intend to keep an open mind regarding her performance, to give her a fair chance. She may be as great as Tom Baker (She's never going to top David Tennant for me - nothing sexist, he's just my favourite Doctor), or she could be awful. It would be more sensible and fairer on her, if I were to wait and see how she performs as the Doctor before I pass any judgement.
Regarding David Bradley's appearance as the First Doctor, I think it's an excellent idea. The Multi-Doctor stories are always good, and it has been far too long since the First Doctor appeared on our screens in person! From what I've seen of him in 'An Adventure In Space And Time', it only seems right that the man to play the First Doctor should be the man who played William Hartnell (may he rest in peace) in that film!
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Post by Leonard on Jul 18, 2017 23:46:27 GMT
I'm glad of my decision to stop watching the show a couple years ago. I'm going to be honest about this. As a Catholic, I think its absolutely disgusting that the BBC is using Doctor Who to introduce children to the errors of transgender ideology by having the main character literally transform from a man into a woman. Doctor Who had a transgendered character in 2005, Cassandra. Dialogue from The End of the World, air date April 2, 2005. CASSANDRA: Soon, the sun will blossom into a red giant, and my home will die. That’s where I used to live, when I was a little boy, down there. Mummy and Daddy had a little house built into the side of the Los Angeles Crevice. I’d have such fun. There's also The Doctor's Wife episode, talking about a character Corsair. Doctor: See that snake? The mark of the Corsair. Fantastic bloke. He had that snake as a tattoo in every regeneration. Didn't feel like himself unless he had the tattoo... or herself a couple of times. Oh hoo, she was a bad girl! There are numerous other examples, but I don't know the show too well to list them off.
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Post by pugsy on Oct 4, 2018 20:50:09 GMT
Well this Sunday the stuff hits the air conditioner! XD I have to say I'm curious but Ill stick on a bit of Tom Baker afterwards
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Post by Maxine on Oct 6, 2018 3:24:21 GMT
I'm pretty excited too! Jodie Whittaker seems very high-energy; good fit for the role. It'd be nice to see some sort of trans representation in the form of 13, though I kind of doubt they'll take it that route. It'd be cool, though.
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Oct 7, 2018 22:34:21 GMT
Thought someone would of posted by now. All I can really say about the first ep is "meh". Missing Capaldi as I reckoned he had another season or two in him and Whittaker seems to be quite lacking in the "the line will be drawn here" rebuking department but we are only one ep in all fairness, judgements will be reserved for when she's in her stride and starts going up against (and around) the big bads.
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Post by gambo1946 on Oct 10, 2019 10:34:20 GMT
has anyone seen, the fandom menace online and how they are critiquing all the main franchises, dr who? star trek, star wars, marvel, dc, (people like nerdrotic, that star wars girl, doomcock, geeks and gamers, midnight's edge, bowlstrek, computing forever, Bounding into comics etc)
i haven't seen them all or all of their content, but i have seen a fair chunk of it
if you have seen them, you will know about how they are talking about how stuff like Jodie whittaker's Dr who, and star wars the last Jedi are trying to do a social justice agenda. and how the fans aren't toxic just being fans and they are getting attacked for it. and they are backed up by rotten tomatoes audience scores, rumors and tabloid stories.
I will admit, though the Politics in doctor who didn't bother me (Rosa and arachnids in the UK in particular) i can see that they are not subtle and why people don't like them. I know that some, quite a few, but not all, not the majority of fans are toxic, just like not all right wingers are prejudiced.
I did like Nerdrotic and geeks and gamers, but as of today, for personal reasons i am not so sure, I am forming my opinion. so what do you guys think?
i am sorry if i broke rules or offended anyone.
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Oct 10, 2019 13:18:03 GMT
I'm not familiar with any of those lot but did stumble into a David Cullun vid a while back. While it did raise some valid points about the last fews seasons of Doctor Who I've made a point not to watch any more of his stuff as it's just so vinigar dipped and tbh I find it a little depressing how many subscribers posters like him gain. I still like putting up Lindsay Ellis, Steve Shives and the Walker brothers more roundabout uploads in the background when modelling and editing, as while they're not to everyones taste are entertaining to me and not foisting a 'everythings getting worse rah rah rah political correctness rabble rabble rabble heavy handed feminism agenda' outlook onto you. I could ramble on about how too much was made of the Rosa Parks episode or the man bashing in Superigrl etc but to summarise think you can get lost in reviewer and fan opinion vids to the point it warps your own perspective and enjoyment of whatever franchise. Sometimes it can be good when you have context for what was going on during filming or its inspiration but more often than not it just spoils the innocence of an escapism.
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Post by gambo1946 on Oct 16, 2019 0:21:02 GMT
I See your Points sleeper agent,
and I have seen that some of those people (the head editors of Geeks and Gamers and Bounding into comics in particular) are Donald Trump supporters, (This is going to be really stupid, I Hate Trump and everything he has done, But i know that not everyone who supports him is a bigot, I mean Many Many are (Unite the right anyone?) but not all)
I agree with some of the Fandom menace's points on The politics, But they don't bother me as much as other people, I enjoyed the rosa parks episode and I even want to see Jack Robertson Come Back next season and get some sort of comeuppance)
I guess it can warp your perspective when you see this stuff online both good and bad, I mean whenever i see something i unfortunately tend to follow it, I mean i followed James A Williams For a while and sometimes look at his videos (you ever seen him on you tube? he does Reboot rants and is a Brony (though i shouldn't judge since i am not much of a my little pony fan) I think the same thing is happening here, So yeah I can see your point perfectly clear. (though i still Love the Nostalgia critic, and after hearing some of the decline in quality stories he has become a guilty pleasure)
BTW, David Cullen is Computing Forever, in case you didn't realize,
sorry if i offended anyone, i am just a guy with autism trying to think for himself
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Post by gambo1946 on Oct 16, 2019 0:37:24 GMT
BTW, This is an epilogue, Have you seen The Dave Chappelle Special Sticks and stones on Netflix? a lot of the people in the fandom menace love that special, and think it is saying something important, that it was an equal opportunity offender, something they said Doctor Who didn't do.
Personally me and my dad found it average, it got a few laughs but was average. But i will wait and see what happens with it
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Oct 16, 2019 13:47:22 GMT
No I'm afraid not as i'm pretty analog Not being a downloader/streamer or even a cinema regular it can be hard to avoid spoilers until the DVD comes out, especially with article titles that pop up on sites like the TTTE Wiki, but generally speaking patience does pay off. Don't get me wrong I'll happily sit through Youtube reviews and discussions of things I have seen/read and even some things I had no intention of exploring as they can actually make me intrigued to see/read in full but like I say it does taint the experence of a first encounter. Reddit used to annoy me with their in your face spoiler articles and I understand their speculation on West World plots actually lead to some of S2 being re-written late in the day but I don't seem to be encountering their click bait adverts on the unrelated sites I visit now thankfully. Getting back to Cullen he and his ilk are something to be wary of. I found skimming a Rational Wiki article on Computing Forever hilariously biased against him but left or right people shouldn't use franchises as a platform for enforcing their world/national view onto a fanbase. Steve Shives isn't a Trump lover as he makes clear and being American he's obviously closer to it than most but while it's true Federation philosophy and conservative mind sets don't really gel in several regards it's unprofessional to shoehorn digs into an unrelated topic. In fairness he doesn't do it much apart from a few vids directly on Trump (which is fair enough) but it detracts from the subject of far off sci-fi and like with the Trump mention in Doctor Who it automatically makes something contemporary specific instead of loose which the latter benefits the fans re-watching/discovering the episode years down the line. If you're going to make a poke it should be more broad as in say Yes Minister where the stories could be mocking whichever party elected in. Lindsay Ellis uses popular people/personifications like Michael Bay, Santa, Death and franchises like The Hobbit, Transformers, Disney's panoply etc but she manages to do it in a more neutral way. The Nostalgia Critic is more or less the same even if it is more apparent the Walkers are going for the flavour of the month rating grabs in several cases but that's still better what some others do in my opinion such reviewing reviews that they have a dislike of. Basically we're like Tolkien's hobbits in that we like to discuss things we already know about but too much of this creates stagnancy and reveals that perhaps we should get out more or at least diversify our palette instead of dissecting things like Star Wars trailers six ways from Sunday.
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Post by gambo1946 on Dec 7, 2019 13:30:46 GMT
No I'm afraid not as i'm pretty analog Not being a downloader/streamer or even a cinema regular it can be hard to avoid spoilers until the DVD comes out, especially with article titles that pop up on sites like the TTTE Wiki, but generally speaking patience does pay off. Don't get me wrong I'll happily sit through Youtube reviews and discussions of things I have seen/read and even some things I had no intention of exploring as they can actually make me intrigued to see/read in full but like I say it does taint the experence of a first encounter. Reddit used to annoy me with their in your face spoiler articles and I understand their speculation on West World plots actually lead to some of S2 being re-written late in the day but I don't seem to be encountering their click bait adverts on the unrelated sites I visit now thankfully. Getting back to Cullen he and his ilk are something to be wary of. I found skimming a Rational Wiki article on Computing Forever hilariously biased against him but left or right people shouldn't use franchises as a platform for enforcing their world/national view onto a fanbase. Steve Shives isn't a Trump lover as he makes clear and being American he's obviously closer to it than most but while it's true Federation philosophy and conservative mind sets don't really gel in several regards it's unprofessional to shoehorn digs into an unrelated topic. In fairness he doesn't do it much apart from a few vids directly on Trump (which is fair enough) but it detracts from the subject of far off sci-fi and like with the Trump mention in Doctor Who it automatically makes something contemporary specific instead of loose which the latter benefits the fans re-watching/discovering the episode years down the line. If you're going to make a poke it should be more broad as in say Yes Minister where the stories could be mocking whichever party elected in. Lindsay Ellis uses popular people/personifications like Michael Bay, Santa, Death and franchises like The Hobbit, Transformers, Disney's panoply etc but she manages to do it in a more neutral way. The Nostalgia Critic is more or less the same even if it is more apparent the Walkers are going for the flavour of the month rating grabs in several cases but that's still better what some others do in my opinion such reviewing reviews that they have a dislike of. Basically we're like Tolkien's hobbits in that we like to discuss things we already know about but too much of this creates stagnancy and reveals that perhaps we should get out more or at least diversify our palette instead of dissecting things like Star Wars trailers six ways from Sunday. thanks for doing that, i will keep it in mind, i am thinking of doing a youtube video on these guys and trying to look at them from a balanced view, I will watch doctor who season 12 and i think it will be cool but (sorry to be off topic i promise you, if Dave Cullen makes a video on Steven universe being communist propaganda or stuff like that. i will respond and say he is wrong. I have also heard he is starting to migrate to bitchute, have you heard of them? i know you are analogue, they are apparently trying to take a stand against internet censorship, but they have taken a lot of the sleazy and bad Cullen Esq people that you talked about. i would put a link to a critique of them, but i don't want to be too inappropriate. what do you think?
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Jan 4, 2020 18:22:43 GMT
I haven't, in fact I don't really have anything to add tbh.
Just finished the new episode. Fell asleep on the first attempt and even refreshed it didn't really grab me. Idk it just feels a little worn out and I didn't care even slightly for the character reveal. Apparently the viewer ratings weren't exactly the healthiest either but as a semi long fan i'll stick it out to see where things go.
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