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Post by The Old Bean on May 20, 2006 23:19:02 GMT
Ugh... anything but nooooo! Nooooo ruined Star Wars Ep III
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Post by Alaric on May 22, 2006 17:08:58 GMT
Hmm, this is interesting. Apparently 'Rise of the Cybermen' and presumably 'Age of Steel' were directed by Graeme Harper, the guy who directed 'Caves of Androzani' among others. I did not know that. Oh, and did anyone else find the new Cybermen hard to hear? I mean, I heard them just fine, but my mum was complaining that she couldn't hear them properly. Looking at the reviews on Outpost Gallifrey, she wasn't alone. Anyone else have any problems?
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 22, 2006 21:41:01 GMT
Yeah, I had trouble making them out too. But that was partly because I was busy saying, "How did those Cybermen creep up when they make so much noise?"
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Post by ringo86 on May 22, 2006 22:16:34 GMT
I don't know how you lot were able to like that piece of garbage! It was terrible - tap-dancing cybermen, a rip-off of davros, a feeble attempt at trying to give the cybermen a catchphrase, that's all it was.
It was just a dreadful attempt at remaking Revelation of the Daleks, one of Graeme Harper's true classics. I beg of you people: NEVER - I repeat: NEVER EVER watch that two-parter ever again. It really was that bad.
By the way, I'm not saying this as if I'm having a go at your lot because this is just my opinion of what I thought of that story.
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Post by The Old Bean on May 23, 2006 0:45:36 GMT
Ah yes, you have your opinion, but are trying to tell people what to do though (i.e. never watch it).
Having seen Rise of the Cyberman (I couldn't resist the urge), I think that it's fantastic. The Cyberman sound a lot like their Patrick Troughton counterparts.
As for remaking Revelation, I don't think it is for the slightest. If anything it vaguely resembles the turning people into monsters plot, but in Revelation it was corpses. Davros wanted to recreate his army to fight those other Daleks who opposed him.
Unlike other people I see Lumic beyond the Davros stereotype. It is actually more of a filmic cliche - someone who is incapitated wants to become moving about and so forth and get his revenge against the cruel world and so forth. Kinda like the Hitler thing - he was short, with black hair wanting a force of tall, blond Aryians (sp?).
As for creeping, I don't think Cybermen NEED to creep. They just burst in. They are indestructable (except for gold, but I don't know if that was mentioned).
Oh and one final thing, I loved that "Quiet Jungle" bit. That was so hilariously morbid! Especially with the saws and knives and so forth... brilliant.
If you are interested in a vaguely interesting original Cyberman story, I don't know if it's still online, but the BBC Website had "Real Time" available. A story featuring Colin Baker and Maggie Stables battling Cybermen.
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Post by ringo86 on May 23, 2006 15:19:17 GMT
Ah yes, you have your opinion, but are trying to tell people what to do though (i.e. never watch it). Having seen Rise of the Cyberman (I couldn't resist the urge), I think that it's fantastic. The Cyberman sound a lot like their Patrick Troughton counterparts. As for remaking Revelation, I don't think it is for the slightest. If anything it vaguely resembles the turning people into monsters plot, but in Revelation it was corpses. Davros wanted to recreate his army to fight those other Daleks who opposed him. Unlike other people I see Lumic beyond the Davros stereotype. It is actually more of a filmic cliche - someone who is incapitated wants to become moving about and so forth and get his revenge against the cruel world and so forth. Kinda like the Hitler thing - he was short, with black hair wanting a force of tall, blond Aryians (sp?). As for creeping, I don't think Cybermen NEED to creep. They just burst in. They are indestructable (except for gold, but I don't know if that was mentioned). Oh and one final thing, I loved that "Quiet Jungle" bit. That was so hilariously morbid! Especially with the saws and knives and so forth... brilliant. If you are interested in a vaguely interesting original Cyberman story, I don't know if it's still online, but the BBC Website had "Real Time" available. A story featuring Colin Baker and Maggie Stables battling Cybermen. Ah, yes, I see where you're coming from. Sorry about the "telling people what to do - never watch it" bit, but me and my brother were that agitated after watching it, I just flipped, if I'm honest.
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 23, 2006 15:28:03 GMT
I understand the inspiration for the episode came from the audio drama 'Spare Parts'. I enjoyed the episode, I wouldn't rank it as one of my favourites though.
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Post by Alaric on May 24, 2006 14:26:54 GMT
It's interesting how some of the new series' episodes are inspired by the audio dramas. Apart from 'Spare Parts' I also believe that some aspects of 'Dalek' came from the 'Jubilee' audio. My knowledge of the audio adventures is pretty much limited to one story, 'The Sirens of Time' (Pretty good story, despite its flaws) so don't take that as fact. The 'Delete' catchphrase never bothered me, mainly beause I didn't take much notice of it. As a catchphrase, well, there's been better, but there's been worse, so there you go. The Gold weakness wasn't mentioned. Remind me, why is gold a weakness again? I think it's something to do with clogging up their life support or something, but I honestly am not certain.
Edit: And by the time you read this, this thread will have been read 1000 times. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 25, 2006 15:49:34 GMT
'Delete' felt a little cliched, an attempt to give the Cybermen an equivalent of 'Exterminate!' I'm guessing the gold weakness didn't appear for two reasons:
1. It's a bit of a "get out of jail free" card, which has become unfashionable in modern sci-fi. 2. Since these Cybermen were regular humans, not from Mondas, maybe it didn't apply to them.
I understand 'Dalek' actually was inspired by Jubilee, according to Wikipedia anyway. RTD has said that he considers 'Spare Parts' to be one of the best examples of drama in any medium and genre.
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Post by The Old Bean on May 26, 2006 9:21:45 GMT
Spare Parts was listened to, I know. But as for being in any shape or form like it, I don't think it was.
Gold clogs up their chest units, effectively suffocating them. Of course in the old days, you kinda needed a lot of it, but then in the 80s you simply had to sneeze gold dust at them and they'd explode.
I saw the Age of Steel as well. I liked both parts.
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 28, 2006 15:55:32 GMT
What did people think of yesterday's episode? I loved the attention to period detail, and Maureen Lipman was delightfully sinister as the Wire- although I have to admit that once again I briefly found myself wondering if we might have a Time Lord on our hands (there was that whole thing about four-dimensional beings).
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Post by Alaric on May 28, 2006 17:07:32 GMT
On the whole, very good ep I thought. Maureen Lipman was fantastic, but I could have done without the constant cries of 'Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'. It's like in 'The Empty Child' and the word 'Mummy'-it's creepy if it's done once or twice, but annoying when repeated ad nauseum. But other than that, a pretty solid episode. Loved the kid, thought he was great. In fact, that whole family's storyline was great. And next week, can it be? We're going to a planet that has nowt to do with Earth whatsoever? Huzzah!
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Post by JimBobDunnie on May 28, 2006 18:09:32 GMT
Well, me being up someone elses house yesterdays, the episode was somewhat spoilt for me as we were all doing a 'commentary' to it On the whole it was a good episode, but I think it didn't achieve it's 'scary' episode label it was somewhat given. Yeah, "Feeeeed Meeee!" gives yer the chills, but sorry, nothing can beat Empty Child. Now that was scary. Bar that, very good episode with some excellent acting.
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Post by Leon K Fox on May 29, 2006 11:42:59 GMT
This is in my mind is the best sci fi there is 'Nuff said
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 29, 2006 22:09:14 GMT
And for once the TARDIS landed somewhere where it actually would blend into the background.
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Post by JimBobDunnie on Jun 7, 2006 18:10:33 GMT
I believe we are yet to discuss last weeks episode...indeed so. So, we seem to have got the Tourchwood thing out of the script at last! Yay! I'm disappointed with the episode though. Altough the 'Ood' make good baddies (a slave race who are the soldiers of some 'beast'), but I think the ep didn't focus much on the fact that the TARDIS falling into some black hole and the Doctor and Rose settling on some planet together....yeah. Am I the only one who misses the old Rose? The Rose thats new to the whole Time Travelling thing? Sorry, but in the last series it was sort've interesting to see this ordinary girl come to face the fact that she's flying around with some alien in time and space. Now its like 'Another Day, Another Planet'. In some ways, its good for her character, but in some ways, its not. But I'll say this, great way to end a two-part ep. (Am I seeing a trend here of two-parters? Hmm...). Ah well, roll on the next ep I say.
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Post by Alaric on Jun 7, 2006 19:25:36 GMT
Sorry, but in the last series it was sort've interesting to see this ordinary girl come to face the fact that she's flying around with some alien in time and space. Now its like 'Another Day, Another Planet'. In some ways it's realistic, in that you would get used to time-and-space travel over time, but it does take away the 'magic' element of it all. I mean, I would have said Rose's time was up after Eccleston left, her character being too much linked to the 9th Doctor to go on successfully. But you know, that's just me. So, last week's ep...made 45 minutes seem like an hour and five. I don't know why, but it seemed a lot longer than most eps are. As for the story...well, good and bad. At times it flourished (seeing the Ood rise up against the humans, whoof!), and at other times I thought it was kinda dull. Still, it's set things up nicely for the next ep, and I guess that's one of the important things. Sidenote 1-An interesting thing my sister pointed out was that whenever the Doctor sees anyone die (or someone who's dying) he always says 'I'm sorry, I'm really sorry' or similar. Anyone else noticed this, or is she off her head? Sidenote 2-The reviewers over at Outpost Gallifrey are really beginning to annoy me now, for the rather self-indulgent reason that the majority seem to hate all the things I like (Books, episodes, audio dramas etc). It's as if anything that doesn't conform to their 'idealised' version of Doctor Who needs to be stricken down and classified as 'bad'. Sidenote 3-Watched 'Spearhead from Space' a couple of nights ago. Wonderful stuff, I really recommend you (the collective you) check it out if you haven't already. If Patrick Troughton is my favourite Doctor, then Jon Pertwee is fast becoming my second favourite. In fact, a list of Doctors, in order of preference. 1. Troughton 2. Pertwee 3. Baker (T) 4. Davison/Baker (C) 5. McCoy/Tennant 6. Hartnell/Eccleston 7. McGann (But to be fair to the chap, I hardly know his Doctor).
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Post by The Old Bean on Jun 8, 2006 1:01:21 GMT
Sidenote 2-The reviewers over at Outpost Gallifrey are really beginning to annoy me now, for the rather self-indulgent reason that the majority seem to hate all the things I like (Books, episodes, audio dramas etc). It's as if anything that doesn't conform to their 'idealised' version of Doctor Who needs to be stricken down and classified as 'bad'. 1. Troughton 2. Pertwee 3. Baker (T) 4. Davison/Baker (C) 5. McCoy/Tennant 6. Hartnell/Eccleston Aha! SOMEBODY agrees with me! Those Reviewers are horribly, sad w[censored]ks who keeping harassing the man who brought the show back. They are irritating little vermin. And as for the list - very interesting... I'm surprised Eccleston is so low on your list. I really, really liked him. And I've really liked Tennant. 1. Christopher Eccleston 2. Patrick Troughton 3. Tom Baker 4. David Tennant 5. Jon Pertwee (Spearhead is excellent, although his pomposity and crabbiness (e.g. Inferno) was often irritating) 6. Sylvester McCoy (esp. in "Ghostlight" and "Curse of Fenric") 7. Colin Baker (esp. on the audio dramas) 8. Wiliam Hartnell 9. Peter Davison (the era of stories really brought him down) 10. Paul McGann (but I should hear more of his audios... apparently he's quite good there)
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Post by Alaric on Jun 8, 2006 18:13:00 GMT
Aha! SOMEBODY agrees with me! Those Reviewers are horribly, sad w[censored]ks who keeping harassing the man who brought the show back. They are irritating little vermin. Well I wouldn't go that far...I mean, I've noticed just as much praise for Davies as harrassing. And I wouldn't call anyone vermin. Except for actual vermin, of course, because then it's alright. And as for the list - very interesting... I'm surprised Eccleston is so low on your list. The thing is, he's just too 'intense' for my liking. Like, everything he does, he makes it sound like it's going to be the most epic manner of doing things. Facetious example: "You ignorant people! I asked for jam on toast, and you have the nerve to serve me, me, toast with marmalade! Well you know what? I'm gonna make my own breakfast...and it'll be the most fantastic breakfast of all time! And I'm gonna do it all by myself, and I'm gonna show you up!" Plus, I don't know, he's also the Doctor who (IMO) has the worst factor of good stories to bad stories, so that's gonna lose him some points right there. Oh, and apparently I forgot to add McGann. Which just goes to show...something.
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Post by Dan the Countdowner on Jun 9, 2006 11:23:24 GMT
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