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Post by CabForward on Oct 1, 2007 3:53:53 GMT
Good point, Green Arrow.
I think there needs to be some middle ground. I know alot of smokers, and it's annoying for me when my friends think "Man, I need a smoke. Let's go outside" - especially on a cold winters day. And if it's annoying for me, I don't want to know how bad it is for them. But, of course, I have seen smokers homes, and it's really, REALLY bad. So, as I said about the moon cafe, we could have no smoking pubs, clubs and whatever else, but also have places where it's okay to smoke. But these places need to be vented. If this happened, I'd be alot happier.
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Post by shady on Oct 23, 2007 5:35:50 GMT
I don't know if anyone from Melbourne, Australia has commented as of yet but the whole state of Victoria had a smoking ban law enacted upon all lincenced busniuesses excluding one, the Crown Casino high rollers room. Now being a somker myself the new law did annoy me a bit, but i could see the other side of the coin. But one thing I did enjoy seeing (and using) were smoking areas. They are outside, well venterlated, sensor actervated heaters and were knocked up (built) in a flash.
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Post by Kyle on Oct 23, 2007 9:11:25 GMT
I actually happen to be from Victoria Shady (Not quite Melbourne, but only 2 hours away ;D).
I can quite understand why these laws would annoy smokers, but still, I think that this is one time when the government has decided to cater to the silent majority (and probably one of the only times in history they ever will....). Anyhoo... I've actually heard rumour that they are considering making the laws even harsher against smokers in Australia, including charging people that smoke in the presence of their children with Child Endangerment!
Discuss...!
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Post by Jim on Oct 23, 2007 13:33:07 GMT
Well I'm certain that will go over well with the Soccer Moms Actually charging someone with 'Child Endangerment'? That's a bit extreme IMO. A simple admonishment would be sufficient. Charging otherwise good parents with a criminal offence will do more harm than good, I'm afraid. I'd rather see court time better spent prosecuting child abusers and hard-drug dealers. On another anti-smoking matter - I often wish that my apartment building had a ban on tenant smokers. I find myself placing a towel at the base of my door to keep the cigaroot smoke odor from coming into my apartment from the apartment next door.
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Post by Kyle on Oct 23, 2007 23:12:11 GMT
Well, it woz something along the lines of child endangerment; it may not have been that exactly... something similar though. I do agree that the courts should be used for bigger things though. And maybe it's time that judges stop being softc*$k tools and actually started giving sentences that fit the crime, none of this suspended sentence rubbish! But back to smoking...
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Feb 29, 2008 1:30:09 GMT
Even though I don't smoke, it doesn't bother me about whether it's banned or not. Yes it's nice to walk into a smoke free zone, but it's not going to put people off smoking.
I can't see smoking being banned for good, because people who have been smoking for a long time, their organs would have gotten used to it and if they stopped after say like: 30 or more years of smoking then the body would probably drop down dead within hours or days.
Take Keith Richards, if he stopped smoking and taken all the drugs he takes his body would probably drop down dead (That's my opinion, but you just don't know).
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Post by stuart7 on Mar 1, 2008 10:15:08 GMT
Well, usually, once a ban is made, it stays that way. They did used to have smoking rooms in some pubs - perhaps that would have been a better measure than banning it altogether. The thing is, see, they're not doing anything against the yobs or drug users.
Stuart
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Post by randgn on Mar 3, 2008 19:29:31 GMT
I'm glad there's a smoking ban. I've never smoked and never will. I'm totally behind the ban by were I live.
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Post by Mafew on Mar 3, 2008 23:19:34 GMT
I'm not that fussed..I've pulled via smoking
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Post by CPK on Mar 17, 2008 19:07:53 GMT
I remember a while back, a mother complained about scenes of smoking in Tom & Jerry, and the station that aired them agreed to just edit out the scenes.
Scenes containing any violence (guns, traps, weapons etc) were still perfectly fine, however.
I expect most childrens shows will go the same way.
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Post by Father Austin Purcell on Mar 18, 2008 18:05:59 GMT
Talking of smoking scenes, some extremist nutters in Liverpool want all films containing scenes of smoking rated as 18. I hope this doesn't come to pass.
Such a move would, eventually, would lead to some of the greatest classic films for all time becoming inaccessible to the majority of people. Entertaining but inoffensive films restricted to times long after the watershed. And once that was done, what would be the next step? The banning of any film in which someone touches an alcoholic drink?
This initial smoking ban was with the good of people's health in mind. Now, I suspect we're getting very close to that thin line where bans come about for the sake of pleasing fascistic, overly PC nanny-stateists.
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Post by OJ on Mar 18, 2008 20:09:31 GMT
I've heard about that. PC certinly has gone too far. Movies with scenes with smoking include 101 Dalmations and Who framed Roger rabbit both are suitable for kids and I would laugh if they became rated 18 this is utter madness plus Raccoons would also need an 18 rating as Cyril Sneer was never seen without a cigar.
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Post by driveus on Jul 12, 2008 13:15:01 GMT
Recently here in Japan there's these new vending machines which operate through a system called "Taspo." It's basicly an ID card to show that you aren't underage to buy cigarettes. Most people say it's annoying, others say smoking in general is annoying, which it is. Taspo's popularity has decreased since it's was first introduced. Lately people just go the convience stores and buy packs there.
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Jul 12, 2008 14:06:34 GMT
Recently here in Japan there's these new vending machines which operate through a system called "Taspo." It's basicly an ID card to show that you aren't underage to buy cigarettes. Most people say it's annoying, others say smoking in general is annoying, which it is. Taspo's popularity has decreased since it's was first introduced. Lately people just go the convience stores and buy packs there. That sounds like a brilliant idea, having a vending machine and having to have an ID card to show that you're aren't underage. Sound like a better ID than store owners asking for underage IDs. Mind you, some people can probably use a false ID and are underage. Unless there was a scanner that could identify the person's true identiy. It annoys me when people underage who can't buy fags ask me: "Excuse me, can you go in the shop for me?" Mainly I ignored them or say no.
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Post by Jim Prower on Jul 12, 2008 14:13:31 GMT
The issue with many of these smoking bans in Pubs and bars...is that it's a bit idiosyncratic. I mean, what do you want to do more damage to, your lungs or your liver? And then there's the barfights, the drunk driving...
It makes sense some places, but not somewhere they're serving alcohol.
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Post by Jim on Jul 12, 2008 15:59:59 GMT
The issue with many of these smoking bans in Pubs and bars...is that it's a bit idiosyncratic. I mean, what do you want to do more damage to, your lungs or your liver? And then there's the barfights, the drunk driving... It makes sense some places, but not somewhere they're serving alcohol. I know what you mean, but I believe that it was enacted chiefly for the well-being of bar and pub workers - same as with restaurants and truck-stops. Ontario must have one of the toughest smoking bans on the planet. They've recently banned smoking in vehicles where children are present, and have instituted mandatory solid shutters being placed over all ciggie displays in convenience stores. I haven't heard or read of any infractions or fines being handed out to violators in the news, which makes me wonder just how serious their intent is to enforce these laws. In contrast, these bans may only be a boon to the criminal underworld. I read a statistic recently that an estimated 40% of ciggies purchased in Ontario are contraband.
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Post by Jim Prower on Jul 12, 2008 20:14:16 GMT
Indeed. Brings up thoughts of the days of Prohibition, Speakeasys, Mobsters....
The issue here is that the government won't relegalize anything, unlike what they did back then. When it didnt' work, and they saw that achieving their goal would lead to...well, who would've known, perhaps the Second Civil War, they gave it up.
But now, in that case, the Government's just gonna turn a blind eye and pretend everything's okay. Just like they have been for years with illegal drug smugglers. Ultimately, smoking bans just add to municipal revenue lost from the smoking tax, as more people quit.
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Post by driveus on Jul 13, 2008 0:49:54 GMT
Actually Taspo ID cards do use a scanner to check. False ID's isn't really much of a problem, at least not as much as forgetting to leave home without taspo. Another related cigarette vending machine in one that has a camera, they take a pic of the buyer and run through a set of files that have information on about evey citizen in Japan. They check and/or identify that person so he/she is not underage nor is not mistaken to be underage. This system is a little more trustworthy than Taspo, but it is a problem if your a visitor from another country.
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Post by Mafew on Jul 15, 2008 10:03:47 GMT
The bans been in force now for a year and two weeks now. And thats been a year were quite a few smokers have quit, and I know a lot of smokers from different walks of life and they've all said its really not made much different. Smoking in pubs banning, really good. saves us money in having to go outside for a cig so we cut down i doubt that was the desired affect but there you go At college legally we're not allowed to smoke on premises, cos its part of a big complex owned by the LSV company we can get removed and fined if we're caught. We've got like a 3 second walk to get OFF premises but still, college gave us a bin and we all huddle in a group hidden from view I've found in the past year I have cut down on smoking a lot, I've switched from cigarettes to rolling my own, with a filter. and whereas I could smoke 20 a day I'm inbetween 5 and 10 a day!
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Post by SRapi on Jul 24, 2008 5:08:10 GMT
Here's what I think is ridiculous. There has been a ban of smoking in Chicago (I think in public places, I don't know specifically), but because of this ban, it has become illegal to make any movies that depict scenes of people smoking in Chicago. What do you think of that? I hear they even considered on editing the smoking out of older movies.
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