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Post by henrythegreen on Feb 17, 2008 0:52:27 GMT
I couldn't find anywhere else on this forum where I thought this would fit, so I'm making a new thread. We can talk about any form of politics, local, national or worldwide, past or present.
I'll get the ball rolling with something that's been gnawing at me for a while . Every so often in my local paper there's an op-ed by a conservative writer who basically says political correctness will be our downfall, but he has recently been specifically bringing up England as an example of what he's afraid of. According to him, England has been "invaded" (his word, not mine) by 2.3 million Muslims and the British government's efforts to placate that group are going to end up destroying England as we know it and then the Muslims are going to come after America.
This fellow also brings up the 1938 Chamberlain treaty and chides those who he says apparently aren't learning from history.
Personally, I don't like those who cry doom and gloom yet don't seem to offer any ways of solving the problems they see.
Although I'm American, I've always liked England and want to someday go there. So the many English (and Scottish and Irish and Welsh) members of this forum, do you think there's any truth to what this guy says or is it just another example of a newspaper columnist hyping something for effect?
P.S. To the Moderators, if I've crossed any boundaries in making this thread then I apologize, but I wanted to get this off my chest.
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Post by The Master on Feb 17, 2008 12:49:42 GMT
Britain's also been "invaded" by the Polish, but he doesn't mention that does he?
The fact is the UK has always had immigrants since the days of the British Empire. Even prior to the union, Scotland, Wales and England had people migrating from the continent. Most of which changed Britain, some changed the World by knock-on effect, for the better but all these groups had/have bad pennies. It's something you have to live with, possibly control.
So yeah - hype. Not that the UK press doesn't do the same, though the comparison to the Munich treaty 1938 doesn't justify.
We are not up against a state or country, any longer. We're not even facing up to a unified organisation. These are small, well placed militias acting independently for the same goal. Most of our military tactics won't work. You can't shoot an Idea, dead.
I'd hate to say this - if the Yanks using future tense, they've kinda already lost...
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Post by Halstead on Feb 17, 2008 17:38:49 GMT
Hmmm... immigrants don't get me started on them! You're right on them missing out the Poles and other eastern europeans 'invading' this country. Anyhow I read in the paper last friday that a fair number of them are returning back home to Poland as they're fed up with just earning money and want to go back to their families. It may sound misleading but you wouldn't really want to choose money over your family (right?) and according to the newspaper the migrants thought that the UK was a land of gold pavements and caviar until now.
Still what some might know that migration is happening everywhere and even a handful of brits are moving out to warmer countries like Spain but then again I could blame the EU for the massive influx of immigrants, crimes, trafficking but that would feel like stepping on a turd in the wrong situations.
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Post by CM on Feb 17, 2008 22:16:52 GMT
Yesterday, i heard that a spy satellite has lost control in space and is now heading towards Earth. The U.S. Govermeant are planing to send a small rocket in space and blow it up, the satellite is the size of a school bus but it's wight is 20,000 pounds. We are all hoping that is will land in the ocean and leave us all alone. This satellite is causing panic for some people because it has toxic chemicals, witch could spread around the globe. If anyone inhales the chemicals, it will cause danger for lungs including Humans and Animals, then they will have to go into medical attention. In my view on this satellite, i'm not worried one bit. Before things can actually hit Earth then can burn up on ree-entry. And the govermeants is on it, they wont let us down
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Post by douglas on Feb 18, 2008 0:17:43 GMT
e, i'm not worried one bit. Before things can actually hit Earth then can burn up on ree-entry. And the govermeants is on it, they wont let us down Heh heh... don't be so sure, they could balls up this one too...
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Post by Skarloey on Feb 18, 2008 23:33:41 GMT
Anyone who starts to preach on about "immigrants" in Britain should be shot... we are ALL immigrants! How many different peoples have settled in these islands? The Romans, the Vikings, the Normans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Celts, the Picts... and that was nearly two millennia ago. I agree with the fact that British culture shouldn't be changed to incorporate the most recent new-comers straight away (some ECML stations now have signage which includes Polish) but people do make a great deal out of nothing... they don't come and "steal our jobs", they do the jobs that the stupid English are too lazy and useless to be able to do. They want to work, which is more than what can be said for some of the "indigenous" population... roll on Alien invasion - perhaps they can take some of our slobs back to the mothership with them for experiments.
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Post by henrythegreen on Feb 19, 2008 1:50:54 GMT
I agree with the fact that British culture shouldn't be changed to incorporate the most recent new-comers straight away (some ECML stations now have signage which includes Polish) but people do make a great deal out of nothing... Well then let me put this out there. One of the things this columnist was railing about was some recent comments by the Archbishop of Canterbury about British law accomodating Shariah law. What is the opinion of this?
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Post by Skarloey on Feb 20, 2008 21:16:14 GMT
Well, he's the Archbishop of Canterbury, need I say more?
They're a minority group who the law would cover... if they can't (as in refuse) adapt to the British way of life then they should relocate to somewhere else. The people's perceptions and ways of life change naturally over time, there is no need to bring in radical changes all of a sudden. All the different races which have came here over time have been integrated into society over a long period of time, with both the group and society changing to fit, almost subliminally.
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Post by henrythegreen on Feb 21, 2008 2:00:33 GMT
Well, he's the Archbishop of Canterbury, need I say more? You might have to, since as an American I have no idea what influence the Archbishop holds (if any). They're a minority group who the law would cover... if they can't (as in refuse) adapt to the British way of life then they should relocate to somewhere else. The people's perceptions and ways of life change naturally over time, there is no need to bring in radical changes all of a sudden. All the different races which have came here over time have been integrated into society over a long period of time, with both the group and society changing to fit, almost subliminally. But what this columnist is implying is that the immigrants aren't just going to go somewhere else and if they won't adapt to Britain, they will make Britain adapt to them. But again, I don't live there (and neither does this columnist I bet), so I wanted to hear what you folks on this board think.
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Post by The Master on Feb 24, 2008 21:09:58 GMT
(some ECML stations now have signage which includes Polish) Speaking of polish signs, says something about the UK media when there's less uproar about a permanent polish traffic sign in England, than a temporary roadworks sign in Eland, half written in welsh stating it's owned by a company in Cardiff. If only that were only the entire case. As much as I appreciate you saying - immigrants usually take undesirable low paid work, the fact of the Britain's job market is this: undesirable minimum wage work is well over half the work there is. Unless you learned a usable trade, or were born to a wealthy household or earned a degree - There is nothing in the UK for you, any more. The costs would nullify your earnings. With the manufacturing industries long gone, there is no use for such under-trained employees. Or for that matter, the technicians and engineers that go with it. There's also nothing for us to have pride in any longer.
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Feb 27, 2008 23:24:50 GMT
I personally don't mind immigrants coming over, I just they didn't bring the whole family like Granparents, great granparents etc... by all means come and earn a living and have a nice life.
I get really pissed off when some immigrants don't speak English, it gets really annoying when people from other countries and speak there language instead of English.
I'm friends with quite a few foreigners (either Spainish or Muslim), and they are nice people and a Muslim friend of mine I've known for nearly 11 years now. Although he speaks his language to his Mum and Dad, it does sometimes bother me but his Mum and Dad do speak English to me and to parents and other English friends which is okay and my friend doesn't have to translate what they are saying in the Muslim language.
In my opinion, if you want to come England:
A) Learn the Language we Speak B) Come to England legally not illegally
I've seen quite a few Women with babies or old Women in some high streets wanting money from me and speaking in there language, my guess is that they're illegal immigrants who have no money, don't speak english and have no where to live.
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Post by henrythegreen on Jul 9, 2008 23:25:22 GMT
Well, that columnist's at it again and this time I've got a link to the column: www.sacbee.com/debate/story/1065498.htmlOff the top of my head, why would a judge make a ruling that would allow him to be overruled by someone else? Further, I would think that the English Parliament or Prime Minister Brown would have something to say about this. What to you think?
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Post by CM on Jul 9, 2008 23:35:51 GMT
Recently, Viacom is sueing Youtube for obvious reasons, there are more then a million copyrighted video on Youtube, and are threatening Google to expose all YT user's private info, such as usernames, video's you've watched and by date, and completly private things such as people's Sir. Name.
God...I hate Viacom, it is a completly unfair lawsuit.
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Post by Churchy on Jul 9, 2008 23:40:11 GMT
Recently, Viacom is sueing Youtube for obvious reasons, there are more then a million copyrighted video on Youtube, and are threatening Google to expose all YT user's private info, such as usernames, video's you've watched and by date, and completly private things such as people's Sir. Name. God...I hate Viacom, it is a completly unfair lawsuit. If it ever comes to that, I'm moving over to Dailymotion 100% Really, is that lawsuit needed?
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Post by SRapi on Jul 10, 2008 4:41:13 GMT
Here's what I wanted to ask: is anyone else here scared of the particle smasher? Sometime this summer, scientists are going to use a big ol' particle accelerator somewhere in Europe, to bring sub-atomic particles up to near speed of light, and hit them together. I believe they hope to find dark matter by doing this, but they say there's a chance they could open up a black hole. Is anyone else concerned that the world might be destroyed within a couple of months?
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Post by Halstead on Jul 10, 2008 21:02:45 GMT
Recently, Viacom is sueing Youtube for obvious reasons, there are more then a million copyrighted video on Youtube, and are threatening Google to expose all YT user's private info, such as usernames, video's you've watched and by date, and completly private things such as people's Sir. Name. There's also a v-log by a honest YT member expressing his opinion. Although I'm not a member myself surely the concept of being stalked for every video you watch should be enough to put off anyone who uses it. Of course ever since the corporations broke in and enforced their laws on the website was pretty much a major put off for me from the site. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pntwjRBXDt4
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Post by Cläy on Jul 10, 2008 23:24:53 GMT
Here's what I wanted to ask: is anyone else here scared of the particle smasher? Sometime this summer, scientists are going to use a big ol' particle accelerator somewhere in Europe, to bring sub-atomic particles up to near speed of light, and hit them together. I believe they hope to find dark matter by doing this, but they say there's a chance they could open up a black hole. Is anyone else concerned that the world might be destroyed within a couple of months? Not really, even if it does. Mainly because of the amusement it brings to hear some big special scientific thing called a 'particle smasher' and because you could just imagine the conversations in heaven: "So how did you die?" "Oh, these guys in Europe created a black hole and destroyed the Earth." "No way! Same here! We're like Black Hole Buddies!" But honestly, you'd think they'd have done the research into likely outcomes and everything before conducting it. There's probably minimal risk involved. But it sounds cool. Does anyone else have a government as painfully incompetent as NSW? Anyone? Corrupt, power drunk, just plain drunk (Google Iguanagate and see what I mean) and consistent poor performers both in front of the media and in running the state in general. Makes me ashamed that I voted for them last year... mind, that was mainly because the Opposition was an absolute shambles back then. Not much better now, but hell, they couldn't do any worse.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 11, 2008 0:04:41 GMT
Here's what I wanted to ask: is anyone else here scared of the particle smasher? Sometime this summer, scientists are going to use a big ol' particle accelerator somewhere in Europe, to bring sub-atomic particles up to near speed of light, and hit them together. I believe they hope to find dark matter by doing this, but they say there's a chance they could open up a black hole. Is anyone else concerned that the world might be destroyed within a couple of months? Although it sounds pretty scary, there's actually very little to worry about SRapi. Even if there are able to make black holes (they aren't even sure that that will even happen) they will be too small to be stable and will destory themselves before they have a chance to cause destruction (I won't go into Hawking Radiation and all of the reasons why it won't hold up). So don't worry, the particle accelerator poses no threat to us at present I hope that puts your mind at ease. Does anyone else have a government as painfully incompetent as NSW? Anyone? Corrupt, power drunk, just plain drunk (Google Iguanagate and see what I mean) and consistent poor performers both in front of the media and in running the state in general. Makes me ashamed that I voted for them last year... mind, that was mainly because the Opposition was an absolute shambles back then. Not much better now, but hell, they couldn't do any worse. I think that nearly all of the state governments in Australia have reached the point of power-drunkeness, simply because they don't have any opposition that poses a threat... Don't get me wrong, I'm getting sick on the Victorian state government's lack of action/caring/compassion about nearly every act they carry out, but it's hard trying to find a lesser evil. But I love the Iguanagate scandal; the best laugh I've had about politics in a long time! Lol
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Post by SRapi on Jul 16, 2008 1:44:07 GMT
Although it sounds pretty scary, there's actually very little to worry about SRapi. Even if there are able to make black holes (they aren't even sure that that will even happen) they will be too small to be stable and will destory themselves before they have a chance to cause destruction (I won't go into Hawking Radiation and all of the reasons why it won't hold up). So don't worry, the particle accelerator poses no threat to us at present I hope that puts your mind at ease. Well, I suppose I do feel at ease that some members have actually tried to comfort me. But, your knowledge of Hawking Radiation proves that you've got some scientific knowledge, and I'll trust you. But then again, you never know...
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