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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 22:34:47 GMT
Which do you prefer and why, it helps if you have seen both lol I prefer Classic, now this is coming from someone who only got into Doctor Who 2years ago through watch the New Series, but after much viewing I decided I prefer CLassic. I just love it, sure the sets are wobbly but the stories are terrific, althoug there are some trukeys in there, Time and the Rani anynoe some of the classic stories are just brill, Talons of Weng-Chaing, Caves of Androzani, Tomb of the Cybermen, Genesis of the Daleks are just a few fine examples. Anyhow would love to hear your views, I thought this would be a good place to post, out the way and a bit of fun ;D
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Post by Jim Prower on Jul 16, 2008 0:38:26 GMT
I hit only seen one version...but that's a lie. I've never seen Dr. Who at ALL!!!
Would someone give this clueless Yankee some rough idea of the plot?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 0:42:03 GMT
I hit only seen one version...but that's a lie. I've never seen Dr. Who at ALL!!! Would someone give this clueless Yankee some rough idea of the plot? Wow, never seen Doctor Who basically he is an alien Time Traveller il put a wiki link up probably easiest lol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_WhoHope this helps Jim, i should note there is a big following for Doctor Who in the US
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Post by Sodor18 on Jul 16, 2008 0:50:12 GMT
Hmmm. I like both versions. TomTank, can you please create a "tie" option on the poll?
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Post by Jim Prower on Jul 16, 2008 1:26:22 GMT
Wow, never seen Doctor Who basically he is an alien Time Traveller il put a wiki link up probably easiest lol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_WhoHope this helps Jim, i should note there is a big following for Doctor Who in the US Huh. Weird stuff, there. That's the thing, I associate Time travel with a heavily modified De Lorean, not a police box. whatever...that...is... Ah, well. It's an interesting series, but doesn't sound like something I'd want to jump straight into.
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Post by The Old Bean on Jul 16, 2008 5:32:08 GMT
As a fan of old and now new, I prefer the new over the old. :-) But the old still has its charm.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2008 5:38:34 GMT
I said new because its what I started with. Old is still good though. FANTASTIC! = it's the beer gardn, I can say anything:P
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Post by The Diesel Engine on Jul 16, 2008 7:03:04 GMT
I prefer classic, you can't beat The 7th Doc. "I'm far more than just another Time Lord."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 9:24:06 GMT
I said new because its what I started with. Old is still good though. FANTASTIC! = it's the beer gardn, I can say anything:P Interesting, as I was the same but I prefer old, maybe I am just weird hehe. Come on guys there must be more fans on the forum lol
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Post by Churchy on Jul 16, 2008 9:44:23 GMT
This is a hard one for me... As much as I am a fan on Ecclestone and Tennant, Baker is a favourite of mine. The 4th or the Tenth? I think new does it for me, as it's the CGi that improves viewing quality. Although, I prefer Torchwood over Doctor Who
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Post by Alaric on Jul 16, 2008 10:10:47 GMT
Classic for me, for a few reasons. 1) Russell T Davies, as a writer, does nothing for me. His plots are alright, but his characters don't really do much for me. And I don't know if this is just him, but the way all his characters have to have some sort of catchphrase or some alternative spelling of their name just bugs the hell out of me. 2) The classic series has the advantage of being old, and therefore I can check up which ones were good and which ones were awful. With the new, I have to take my chances that next week's episode isn't another Boom Town. Which brings me to point 3. 3) I bloody hate Boom Town. 4) I know I don't have to take the old series seriously. No one else did at the time. Nowadays, I can't tell whether things are meant to be funny, or just ended up that way. I think sometimes it tries for camp, but doesn't quite pull it off. 5) 'I'm sorry, I'm so sorry' is the worst catchphrase ever. Especially when it's not actually his fault. Come on, even the Shell-Shock Doc (and there's a phrase I never thought I'd type) had the more up-beat 'Fantastic!' 6) I'm an old man who likes thing the way they were when he was young, consarn it! Ok ok, I know I'm ragging on the new series quite a bit here. I realise things had to be updated for a modern audience, and I respect that. And there are things I do like about the new series (Steven Moffat, unless he's trying to write horror stories). I just prefer the original because, well, that's the kind of thing I prefer.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2008 10:26:11 GMT
I have to agree with Alaric, I hate Boom Town as well. Boom Town...ughh, that and...ummm...I don't know... Doomsday is a big fav for me thought. XD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 10:37:07 GMT
Classic for me, for a few reasons. 1) Russell T Davies, as a writer, does nothing for me. His plots are alright, but his characters don't really do much for me. And I don't know if this is just him, but the way all his characters have to have some sort of catchphrase or some alternative spelling of their name just bugs the hell out of me. 2) The classic series has the advantage of being old, and therefore I can check up which ones were good and which ones were awful. With the new, I have to take my chances that next week's episode isn't another Boom Town. Which brings me to point 3. 3) I bloody hate Boom Town. 4) I know I don't have to take the old series seriously. No one else did at the time. Nowadays, I can't tell whether things are meant to be funny, or just ended up that way. I think sometimes it tries for camp, but doesn't quite pull it off. 5) 'I'm sorry, I'm so sorry' is the worst catchphrase ever. Especially when it's not actually his fault. Come on, even the Shell-Shock Doc (and there's a phrase I never thought I'd type) had the more up-beat 'Fantastic!' 6) I'm an old man who likes thing the way they were when he was young, consarn it! Ok ok, I know I'm ragging on the new series quite a bit here. I realise things had to be updated for a modern audience, and I respect that. And there are things I do like about the new series (Steven Moffat, unless he's trying to write horror stories). I just prefer the original because, well, that's the kind of thing I prefer. Alaric, you are my new Best Friend lol, I agree with all your points, there is something so wonderful about Classic Who, yes it hasn't got the fancy special effects, but CGI does not make a good story. Out of interest Alaric, what do you think of the whole Romance with the Doctor and Rose, I hate it with a passion, it's not as much the romance (come on, the Doctor and Romana blatantly were at it lol), but with Rose, a 19 year old, the Doctor 1000+ old ( yes I say that, I dont care what the tenth said inVOTD, he was 900 years old when Colin Baker was the Doctor in 1985)
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Post by Alaric on Jul 16, 2008 14:06:04 GMT
Alaric, you are my new Best Friend lol, I agree with all your points, there is something so wonderful about Classic Who, yes it hasn't got the fancy special effects, but CGI does not make a good story. CGI was pretty rubbish in the first series too. Although it did improve, especially for that not-Satan in the second. Out of interest Alaric, what do you think of the whole Romance with the Doctor and Rose, I hate it with a passion, it's not as much the romance (come on, the Doctor and Romana blatantly were at it lol), but with Rose, a 19 year old, the Doctor 1000+ old ( yes I say that, I dont care what the tenth said inVOTD, he was 900 years old when Colin Baker was the Doctor in 1985) I wasn't particularly fond of it, primarily because it seemed rather rushed. Then again, I'm biased because I don't really like Rose post-Ecclestone. She was supposed to be our POV character, the one we could relate to with all the craziness going around it, and then she pretty much become Wonder-Rose in the second series. Her character arc should have ended with the beginning of Tennant, IMO. Also, I think romance humanizes the Doctor a bit too much for my liking. I know there's reasons for it, but I think it detracts from the alienness of the character. I think it's right he should be kept a bit distant from conventional human standards. Now if there was a companion-companion romance, I think that would be great.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 14:22:55 GMT
Alaric, you are my new Best Friend lol, I agree with all your points, there is something so wonderful about Classic Who, yes it hasn't got the fancy special effects, but CGI does not make a good story. CGI was pretty rubbish in the first series too. Although it did improve, especially for that not-Satan in the second. Out of interest Alaric, what do you think of the whole Romance with the Doctor and Rose, I hate it with a passion, it's not as much the romance (come on, the Doctor and Romana blatantly were at it lol), but with Rose, a 19 year old, the Doctor 1000+ old ( yes I say that, I dont care what the tenth said inVOTD, he was 900 years old when Colin Baker was the Doctor in 1985) I wasn't particularly fond of it, primarily because it seemed rather rushed. Then again, I'm biased because I don't really like Rose post-Ecclestone. She was supposed to be our POV character, the one we could relate to with all the craziness going around it, and then she pretty much become Wonder-Rose in the second series. Her character arc should have ended with the beginning of Tennant, IMO. Also, I think romance humanizes the Doctor a bit too much for my liking. I know there's reasons for it, but I think it detracts from the alienness of the character. I think it's right he should be kept a bit distant from conventional human standards. Now if there was a companion-companion romance, I think that would be great. yeah, it does humanize the Doctor to much, he is an alien after all, I hated the whole Rose and Doctor running to each other at the end of Stolen Earth, and when he gets shot, i thought, 'serves him right' lol Companion Romance, yeah, think we already had that, Jamie and Victoria anyone. ;D
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Post by Alaric on Jul 16, 2008 19:18:00 GMT
Companion Romance, yeah, think we already had that, Jamie and Victoria anyone. ;D Too bad that one never went anywhere though. Although it was nicely subtle.
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Post by The Old Bean on Jul 17, 2008 8:34:22 GMT
Oh Alaric, you're such a lovely fellow, but I couldn't go past without cutting your opinion to ribbons. Classic for me, for a few reasons. 1) Russell T Davies, as a writer, does nothing for me. His plots are alright, but his characters don't really do much for me. And I don't know if this is just him, but the way all his characters have to have some sort of catchphrase or some alternative spelling of their name just bugs the hell out of me. I disagree. As a fan of the old series, I find his characters are much better than the old. I mean, seriously, the only good companions that were written well were Sarah Jane Smith and Ace. All the rest were "Oh but Doctor". So if you like cardboard cut out shrieking women companions, so be it... 2) The classic series has the advantage of being old, and therefore I can check up which ones were good and which ones were awful. With the new, I have to take my chances that next week's episode isn't another Boom Town. But once upon a time it *was* like that! It was a week... by week... by week thing. And determining whether an episode is good or not is subjective. I, for one, liked Timelash. Everyone else in fandom doesn't. Which brings me to point 3. 3) I bloody hate Boom Town. I loved Boom Town! There was no point or plot, but it was the character development. It was nice to actually see companions interact (e.g. Mickey and Rose finally 'calling it quits') and the Doctor deal with a villain, the morality of putting someone to death. 4) I know I don't have to take the old series seriously. No one else did at the time. Nowadays, I can't tell whether things are meant to be funny, or just ended up that way. I think sometimes it tries for camp, but doesn't quite pull it off. That simply isn't true. People took Doctor Who seriously, those who made it and those who watched it. The point of Dr Who is that is family entertainment. If it was just bog standard sci fi, only the nerdular nerdances would watch it. Down go the ratings... 5) 'I'm sorry, I'm so sorry' is the worst catchphrase ever. Especially when it's not actually his fault. Come on, even the Shell-Shock Doc (and there's a phrase I never thought I'd type) had the more up-beat 'Fantastic!' You mean it's worse than "*grumble grumble* What my dear fellow?" or "Oh my giddy aunt!" or "Reverse the polarity!" or "*technobabble*" or "Ahhhhhhhh" or "*out of breath pant* line of dialogue *out of breath pant*" or "Word? WORD? WORRRRRD?!!" or "Rrrreepating Lines of Rrrrrreepitious Dialogue with Scottish Brrrrrrrogue"? 6) I'm an old man who likes thing the way they were when he was young, consarn it! What? You mean, not on telly and on dodgy VHS tapes? Ahhh, the mercy of the internet. There is none. Oooh watch out Alaric, a Moderator is attacking you! lulz.
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Post by Sean on Jul 17, 2008 9:33:14 GMT
I find it almost unforgiveable that you forgot to say, "Would you like a jelly baby?"
For me, Doctor Who was great then, and it's still great now. I love both.
In the classic series (I don't want to say "old". It just sound stupid), there was a simplistic approach. You'd have a one story that spanned across two - seven episodes, and then you'd move on to the next without ever having to worry about it again. I think they only had story arcs a few times (Key to Time, Trial of a Time Lord). The show was witty and clever while at the same time very goofily done.
Of course it wasn't perfect. John Nathan-Turner anyone? The show's last producer didn't always make the best decisions. Good idea: casting Colin Baker. Bad idea: putting him in a clown suit and making him act to such horrible writing. Good idea: Make Sylvester McCoy's Seventh Doctor darker and mysterious. Bad idea: making him wear those bloody question marks. Liked the brolly, though. That was clever.
In the revived series, we now have the same pros and cons. In New Who, we have Eccelston (Fantastic!) and Tennant (Allon-sy!). Both are good choices and really brought out new possibilities, making their Doctors dark and cold one moment and then goofy happy-go-lucky the next. And of course when I found out that the entire RTD era had been planned throughout all four series, I, personally, went into gobsmack overload.
Another highlight was Catherine Tate as Donna Noble. Finally, someone who wasn't in love with the Doctor. It was refreshing to see someone challenge his authority once in a while (ie Fires of Pompeii).
Of course, it isn't perfect. I wish the Doctor would get over himself as far as the Time War is concerned. He keeps losing everything over and over, and I just wish that he'd find some happiness at the end of a series. I wish he'd find something to smile about and to actually be "alright".
And of course, at the end of all four series, Tennant always has the last word. It's an interesting pattern.
BY the way, what do people think of the 1996 telemovie? Paul McGann? Half-Human? Any thoughts? Where does that stand?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 9:49:11 GMT
I guess something which does annoy me is is this: I have alot girl friends ( as in friends that are girls) and they love the new series, and go on about how FIT David Tennant is, and how thats one of the main reasons they watch it. Obviously they never watch the old series either. I hate this reasoning behind it and think it is soo shallow, the Doctor is great for his mind and intelligence, not his body
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Post by Alaric on Jul 17, 2008 10:42:50 GMT
Oh Alaric, you're such a lovely fellow, but I couldn't go past without cutting your opinion to ribbons. My dear fellow, I wouldn't have expected anything less. I disagree. As a fan of the old series, I find his characters are much better than the old. I mean, seriously, the only good companions that were written well were Sarah Jane Smith and Ace. All the rest were "Oh but Doctor". So if you like cardboard cut out shrieking women companions, so be it... Again, does nothing for me. I'm sure there are those that appreciate his work, just as there are those that would argue there are far more 'good' companions than Sarah Jane and Ace. It's just I, personally, don't like his characterisation. Again, I think he's good with plots, but there's more to a story than plot. But once upon a time it *was* like that! It was a week... by week... by week thing. And determining whether an episode is good or not is subjective. I, for one, liked Timelash. Everyone else in fandom doesn't. Yes, but the amazing thing is, it's no longer like that now. So I can watch a whole serial on UK Gold without having to wait a week between episodes, and then later pick it up on DVD. This isn't criticising the new series, it's just convenient for me is all. I loved Boom Town! There was no point or plot, but it was the character development. It was nice to actually see companions interact (e.g. Mickey and Rose finally 'calling it quits') and the Doctor deal with a villain, the morality of putting someone to death. Which was nicely dealt with by the villain being turned into an egg by magic the Heart of the Tardis. Before she could get away with blowing up Wales and surfing home, or something. Plus, there's that bit where the Doctor and Rose flat out say Bad Wolf is an important term that people should pay attention to, which apart from owt else isn't very subtle. You know another episode that was just character development? Love and Monsters. I liked that one. Davies can do this sort of thing really well when he wants to, I just don't think Boom Town pulled it off. That simply isn't true. People took Doctor Who seriously, those who made it and those who watched it. The point of Dr Who is that is family entertainment. If it was just bog standard sci fi, only the nerdular nerdances would watch it. Down go the ratings... Alright, fair point. But being part of Generation Y (And someday I will find out what the hell that means), it appeals to my cynical self as well as my inner child. My whole body wins! (Which is not a phrase I have ever said before, nor am I likely to say again, lest the girl get somewhat annoyed) You mean it's worse than "*grumble grumble* What my dear fellow?" or "Oh my giddy aunt!" or "Reverse the polarity!" or "*technobabble*" or "Ahhhhhhhh" or "*out of breath pant* line of dialogue *out of breath pant*" or "Word? WORD? WORRRRRD?!!" or "Rrrreepating Lines of Rrrrrreepitious Dialogue with Scottish Brrrrrrrogue"? Yeah, pretty much. *Shrugs* At least those are kinda funny just from how silly they are. Tennant apologising every episode crossed that line some time ago, and now I find it annoying. 6) I'm an old man who likes thing the way they were when he was young, consarn it! What? You mean, not on telly and on dodgy VHS tapes? Actually, when I was young, it was on telly, just not mainstream telly. And I don't know what tapes you were getting, the ones I borrowed off a friend were just fine. Seriously though, I know my post was sorta very negative towards the new series, but this does not mean I hate it. It works, it's popular, it's got a lot of things going for it. It's just, in my case, I like the old series better. Ahhh, the mercy of the internet. There is none. Oooh watch out Alaric, a Moderator is attacking you! lulz. Come and see the violence inheirent in the system! Help, help, I'm being opressed!
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