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Post by Nicholas on Jan 3, 2009 20:48:39 GMT
Star Trek, eh? Hmm... as always, I'll break it down! The Original Series [or simply Star Trek] today seems pretty cheesy and flamboyant. I'm sure in it's day it was simply superb, but today some of the storylines seem farfetched and a bit cringe-worthy at times. A personal least favourite, actually... However, I must add, the films were pretty brilliant. The Next Generation, I never followed an awful lot, but I love all the characters. Data, Worf, La Forge, Picard... all brilliantly played, probably the best cast for a Star Trek series. Here, Star Trek seemed to take a more serious role and got much bigger and epic. If I'd been brought up with this series I've no doubt this would be a favourite, but, for now, I'd say it sits at the middle of the list. Some classic episodes, but some pretty dull ones as well, actually! Deep Space Nine was terrible when it started, and I actually really disliked it. The characters were sort of difficult to get used to for some reason, although O'Brien and Bashir shone out at times, and Quark and Odo were pretty good characters as well! The introduction of the Defiant and the War with the Dominion definately helped this series pick itself up and improve, as well as Worf coming into the series. Some of the best battle scenes in this one, but some really dull things going of here as well. Voyager is the one I payed most interest in, and remains to this day my favourite Star Trek series. A lot of the earlier episodes were pretty meh, but after Series 3, the series improved a lot. Tuvok remains one of my favourite characters, and I'm delighted to say I've met him in real life as well. The EMH, Neelix, Kim, Paris and Seven of Nine were all fantasic as well, however. Voyager had a lot of the best bad guys and most original storylines. The Borg, perhaps, ended up being a little overused, but after some of the episodes that the series had with them, that's forgivable! Enterprise always seemed a little out of place, because we were suddenly watching the crew of a ship that was before Kirk. Whereas it did allow for some new storylines and challenges that wouldn't really hamper the crew of new Star Treks very much, it also limited the series in what we could see in terms of huge space battles or incredible technology, although I did quite like the running joke about the fears of the then 'new' transporter in the earlier episodes. Some good characters in Reed and Mayweather here, but the whole crew was enjoyable to watch, even the Captain was pretty cool. I mean, come on... he was Quantum Leap! Even this series started slowly, and Series 1 and 2 were pretty dull, but by Series 3 and 4 the series had really settled down. The storyline with the Xindi being stretched over an entire series was a good decision, I personally believe. Although it did make the series drag that little bit more, it did help build up the tension and allow every problem to be analysed and have some fun and action injected into it. The Animated Series I've only ever seen bits of, but, to be honest, I've never really took it that seriously! Won't bother with this one... Anyway, top of the list is Voyager, followed by Enterprise, then Next Generation. After this it's Deep Space Nine and then The Original Series. Nicholas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 16:11:04 GMT
As the months countdown, I though I should point out we have a new Star Trek Film coming out Trailer there are some things which I have seen such as the new Enterprise that seem a bit off when the film is a prequel to the original series (it looks more like the Enterprise A) but from what I had read there are reasons to this such as Don't read if you don't want to know key plot points! Romulan from the future comes back and alters history, and old Spock (Leonard Nimoy) goes back in time to stop him, and Vulcan gets destroyed too, these things show a difference from the normal time line
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 18:23:43 GMT
I'm really surprised this thread has not been updated by now I have just seen the film today, and WOW!!! really is one of the best Star Trek films in a long time, actually it's the best film I have seen in ALONG TIME! I completely loved it, couldn't be a better re boot for the series!!
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Post by thomassprites123 on May 15, 2009 19:28:54 GMT
I want to see that movie!!!! Hope it's good.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 21:30:18 GMT
I can't recommend it enough!
Superb re boot to the series, and!!!!!! there is a sequel planned for mid 2011....EVEN BETTER!
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Post by Cranky on May 16, 2009 2:06:01 GMT
As a Star Wars Fanboy whos NEVER liked Star Trek, I enjoyed this film alot. Very good reboot.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 13:30:36 GMT
Great Reboot indeed! I really would love to see it again, but i live to far away from the cinema really, and my Dad loved it too, but i don't think he would want to see it again To anyone who hasn't seen it yet, check out the trailer here you don't need any knowledge of Star Trek, it's really open to the general audience! EDIT and incase anyone is interested, I have given a review of the new Enterprise design and toy
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Post by Crscottjr on May 22, 2009 16:13:30 GMT
As someone who is more in the middle ground of both TOS and the original Star Wars Trilogy prequel, this movie not only captures that essence of 60's optimism/Sci-Fi but singlehandly does does such without degrading the fanboys' intelligence or confusing the general moviegoer. Very entertaining and well worth the wait!
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Post by Eisenheim on May 23, 2009 20:17:38 GMT
I saw it on the week they 've release it, on sunday, and I 've enjoy it. I 'm also more from the Star Wars ''fanship''. Not only because of Simon Pegg as Scotty (a short but good appearance), I liked its story, the characters (Eric Bana was magnificent as Nero and also I like how Spock and Kirk became friends after their rivalship), and the special effects of course specially when Nero 's ship comes out of the black hole.
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Post by FlyingScotsman on May 24, 2009 10:53:45 GMT
It is absolutely fantastic. Everything there is to love about Star Trek minus everything that made people dislike it. J J Abrams is a genius for devising a film that simultaneously appeals to the dyed-in-the-wool Trekkies and the total Star Trek novices (I went to see it with one of each and they both loved it). It's made the space opera genre fun again, and reminds us of a fact that we have long forgotten - space travel is awesome.
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Post by OJ on May 24, 2009 11:26:45 GMT
I've never been into Star Trek but this was fantastic. It is enough to make me a fan. The actor who played Kirk was great and Simon Pegg was probobly the best one there. Plus it was great to see Leonard Nimoy as Spock again. I've read William Shatner could have a part in the sequel. that will be good.
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Feb 11, 2017 22:20:15 GMT
When it comes to Star Trek, I've generally been a viewer of the movies, the animated series and occasional episodes from Voyager. Now I haven't seen all the Star Trek films, mainly the latest two from the rebooted films, but I have seen the original ten movies from the Original Cast to the three Next Generation films (four if you include the brief scene from some of the original cast of ST). Now whilst not all the movies are great, there's certainly always something to take out of them i.e. with Motion Picture and Final Frontier, what I take out of those two (which many regard as the bad Trek films - especially Final Frontier) is the musical score by Jerry Goldsmith and I actually like his theme song for Star Trek.
But I think my most favourite Star Trek film is Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, as it was the first ST film that I was introduced too as a Kid - of course years later I watched the others, and it would be either Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country as my second favourite. Now I'll admit, I'm a massive Star Wars fan, but I'm not one of those fans that would say: "Oh, Star Trek sucks!" because I do like Star Trek but will admit that I prefer Star Wars - but I'm one of those that likes both with no hatred for one and high praise for the other.
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Post by Two Red Engines on Mar 20, 2018 20:50:50 GMT
I fell in love with Star Trek when I started watching the new films. After watching the 2009 film several times, I eagerly waited for Star Trek: Into Darkness and bought four TOS episodes from iTunes. Now I currently have seven Star Trek films, six box sets (Voyager Series 1-3, TNG Series 1 and TOS Series 1 and 2), seven audiobooks and the collection is still growing! I can safely say that I've now officially become a bit of a Trekkie. Enough for me to write this song at any rate. This one's for all you Voyager fans out there, sung from the perspective of Harry Kim and in the style of a certain Ed Sheeran song about castles...:
My first mission was with the Voyager.
I was on the ship with Tom Paris, my good friend.
Saw the sweet clouds of Earth for the last time for a long while.
I was younger then
Now I find myself in
A Spaceship that’s so far from home.
I can’t keep living in a metal dome.
And I’ve not seen the clouds of Earth in
So long, so long ago.
I can’t wait to go home.
And I’m on my way,
Flying at Warp Speed to our
Milky Way.
Trying to pick up more speed,
And I miss the way
You make
Me feel
It’s real,
And we watch the sunrise
Over the Starbase on the hill!
Few days in, got teleported to a coffin.
Saw San Fransisco, did a clown in.
Tried transwarp speed one night,
I don’t reckon I did it right.
That was stupid then.
Take me back to when
I started at the Academy,
Found a girl who was right for me.
One of my friends stayed up so late
For so long, oh, how I’ve grown.
I can’t wait to go home.
And I’m on my way,
Flying at Warp Speed to our
Milky Way.
Trying to pick up more speed,
And I miss the way
You make
Me feel
It’s real,
And we watch the sunrise
Over by the Starbase on the hill!
Hee-hoo!
Over the Starbase on the hill!
Hee-hoo!
Over the Starbase on the hill!
One crewman likes to cook food, and
One’s a mechanic, with a fiery mood.
One likes girls but lives alone.
One’s husband is gone for good.
One’s already in his second command.
One needs a bit of loosening up.
These people are family, but I,
I can’t wait to go home.
And I’m on my way,
I still remember that one
Faithful day,
When we did not know the answer.
And I miss the way
You make
Me feel
It’s real
And we watch the sunrise
Over the Starbase on the hill!
Hee-hoo!
Over the Starbase on the hill!
Hee-hoo!
Over the Starbase on the hill!
Disclaimer: All rights for the song, the characters and the events referenced go to their respective owners.
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Mar 24, 2018 3:54:54 GMT
Can't stand Ed The original series was way beyond my time and while I have seen the odd ep I find it too dated to get into, Shatner is impossible to take seriously when he's being intense Wrath of Kahn is massively overrated in my opinion but i'm sure back in the day it was impressive enough. The Undiscovered Country is probably my fave of the original films but like many I have a soft spot for The Voyage Home. Sending Chekov to look for nukes in the American sub base not long after the end of the cold war will always be priceless Net Gen is when I started watching as BBC2 used to show it at 6pm in the 90s along with DS9, Voyager, Battlestar, Space 1999 and Farscape on the other weekdays. It had a lot going for it and the final was great, as was with anything featuring Q, but being honest there were several dud eps too. DS9 I quite liked when it was first broadcast but it's since become my favourite. Really disliked Cassidy Yates from the get go and I didn't care too much for Jake as he got older but other than that and the Mirrorverse stuff I think it stands up well even now. The fact that the stories were ongoing due to the station being, well stationary proved a solid foundation to build off rather than being limiting as the wormhole and the well paced J'hem Hadar invasion elements balanced things beautifully. The characters in this more drama themed instalment are easily the strongest as far as i'm concerned and the casting was perfect. The Next Gen set so many things up in the Alpha quadrant and when the show wound up it left the DS9 writers a rich backyard to let rip in. Voyager...I stopped watching it when it aired but caught the end of and then gave it another go through the DVDs several years later. It's a real mixed bag. Janeway, the Doc, Tuvok, Neelix and Seven of Nine were good but I found Harry to be a bit of a lame duck while Paris, B'Elanna and Chakotay were just ok. Likewise the stories varied in quality a lot but there's plenty of good to be found within the 7 seasons. Enterprise-slow start and a few of the charters were a little weak/unexplored but from season 3 onwards it really came into its own. Tremendous shame it got cancelled as a lot of ground work they were laying showed promise, but at least it was wrapped up better than the unfortunately condensed Farscape special..... Never seen the animated series so that just leaves the other movies. The Next Generation ones are so so and I wouldn't say the forth was really worth making but I do like a lot within the first three. The rebooted ones are all highly entertaining while the action and special effects are actually well choreographed, really shows that the Star Trek universe can go head to head with Star Wars when the gloves are off and the budget is there. Bring on the next instalment Haven't seen the newest series as I've only got Freeview so can't compare but have heard good things and I look forward to it coming out on DVD.
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Post by Two Red Engines on Apr 3, 2018 12:50:02 GMT
Too bad, I can stand Ed! (It's your opinion, though). Anyway, back to Star Trek!
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Apr 4, 2018 2:13:45 GMT
Umm we know from your post above Not sure either of these posts were needed but as i'm here I'll add I do also love the spoof Galaxy Quest. Think most Trekies have seen it by default but for the more casual watcher it's a movie that seems to have flown under the radar a little and I would recommend it if you haven't. Speaking of spoofs has anyone here seen The Orville? I've only seen a trailer but though I'm not convinced Seth is the best choice for a starring role like a A Million Ways to Die in the West it looks like its got a few good points to it.
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Post by fobhew22 on Apr 4, 2018 22:27:38 GMT
Sleeper Agent I have seen The Orville, and as a Trekkie I love it. It isn't so much a parody as a love letter - they still tackle big storylines worthy of the moral quandaries that happened in TNG and DS9, there's just slightly more fart/sex jokes than you'd expect in Star Trek. Anyone seen Discovery? I did enjoy watching it, but I don't know that I'd rank it above any of the other Star Treks, perhaps just because it is about war and fighting whereas that's not really the vision that guided classic Trek. Some of the best episodes were the timey-wimey ones (excuse the Who reference), or the ones with an interesting problem to solve over the ones with the big space battles.
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Post by Sleeper Agent on Dec 28, 2018 19:26:02 GMT
Well I got both box sets for Christmas and after a most enjoyable binge can finally compare. Hands down Discovery is the better of the two but it's so different to the pre-movie installations that it's hard to rank......like with the current Thomas that's technically supposed to be the same series comparing the then-and-now extremities almost seems pointless but between some of the more messy plot twist padding thought it brings quite a lot to the table that's new without completely jettisoning everything else. The make-up department have really upped the ante (seriously Commander Saru is brilliant) while the music and CGI effects were pretty good also, especially for TV, but I do feel the wardrobe and set design lacked continuity considering the time period they're wedging into. That's being pretty harsh in some ways as the original uniforms and interiors would be next to impossible to pull off but I always thought the Next-Gen bridge looked the best.....In DS9 the darker look made sense but Voyager should of gone back to a lighter scheme and by gum 'black n moody' reigns supreme in Discovery. I'm basically nitpicking here but as another example it would of been nice to see some hairy Klingons, focusing on some of the non-Kronos centric staples is fine but I don't see a reason to exclude the iconic look entirely in order to reinforce the fact we're dealing with other houses/our show, our style. Those small complaints aside thought the interchangeable cast were top notch and it'll be interesting to see if they can top the hit-the-ground-running start that Enterprise unfortunately couldn't achieve. The Orville is more mixed in my opinion. From what I saw in the omg-my-ex-has-been-assigned-to-the-same-ship! trailer it's better than I thought it was going to be, especially as i'm not Seth's biggest fan when in front of the camera but I do wish he (and by extension his cast) would stop shoehorning 20th/21th century stuff into something that's supposedly set in the 25th. In Family Guy slipping in the odd musical and old film homage etc from the good ol' US of A is fine here and there when it's done right but it's really jarring on this intergalactic show and I think someone needs to reign in his creative control just a tad. Positives are definitely the 'Star Trek void' it seems to have set out to fill. Light hearted back to basics with safe Data/Seven of Nine type characters awkwardly benefitting from 'humanity' are comforting while Lt. Alara is a powerhouse gem destined to be remembered fondly. Some moral plot executions were weaker than others such as the Twitter mirror one but I think S2 has a lot of potential given what's been put together already in this new franchise, even more so if a larger production budget can be secured and I can only hope Issac gets to play more practical jokes
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Post by Alpharius Omegon on Jan 12, 2019 7:43:23 GMT
I'm actually really enjoying The Orville. I can't bring myself to watch Star Trek Discovery again. It's far too JJ-esque/political-beat-round-the-head for me to enjoy.
The Orville though, that's a rare gem these days. I went into it expecting just a Star Trek parody and came out having seen something that's more Star Trek than the newest official Star Trek series!
It hits all the right notes for a Star Trek fan like me. Good, enjoyable stories, fantastic characters with enjoyable personalities and traits, a fascinating universe with different species and cultures, the model work, the physical makeup for the alien crew members, it's all wonderful. And yes, while some of Seth MacFarlane's trademark brand of comedy does seep in here and there, it's enjoyable and offset by the stories to be excusable and often, very enjoyable.
He's done a great job with The Orville in my opinion and I hope that it gets a few more seasons in the future.
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Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Jan 18, 2019 16:53:22 GMT
To put in my two-penny worth's in, speaking as a non-hardcore Trekkie, or Trekker as Gene Roddenberry himself put it and non fan of Seth MacFarlane's trademark brand of comedy, I really enjoy watching The Orville. I was late to the party when it first came on UK television, but having got to see it be repeated and recently starting its second season, I just can't get enough of it.
Initially watched it because Adrianne Palicki is in it and I remember her in Marvel's Agents of Shield before she departed that and of course loved her in that (yes for all obvious reasons that she's hot), but definitely love the chemistry between her and Seth as Ed Mercer and Kelly Grayson as the once married couple now co-workers.
And yes, it is essentially just a parody of Gene Roddenbery's creation. But as you watch it and the more you watch it, it becomes its own thing that isn't simply tied to just being a Star Trek parody. Of course, who doesn't enjoy listening to the Orville's theme song. Its those kind of theme tunes that some of today's space operas lack, something fun and catchy to listening to that doesn't sound so dark and dystopian. But yeah, I enjoy the Orville - as someone who's more of a Star Wars fanatic than a Star Trek one.
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