inuprincess
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Post by inuprincess on Sept 17, 2006 18:46:05 GMT
Just wanting to know what's wrong with political correctness. ^ ^;
I know alot of people here don't really like it and my friends sometimes correct me when I get 'political correct'. ^.^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2006 19:21:31 GMT
Well inuprincess, in my opinion there isn't anything wrong about being "Politically correct" just as long as it's not used over, and over and over again on things that it doesn't need to be applied to. Recent examples of such, Someone calling someone else a racist just because they want the U.S. borders secured to prevent people from just coming in on there own accord and the other person believes that "we didn't cross the border, it crossed us" type of thing or (using an example we all know) a show has to introduce female characters just because some people claim it's sexist since that show's main characters are mainly males.
This is just my opinion so please don't start PMing me saying I'm some right-wing intolarent nut or something like that.
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Post by stepneydude on Sept 17, 2006 19:32:24 GMT
Personally, I hate political correctness because it's just plain stupid. Two examples: At my school, we can't call it a "brainstorm" because that offends retarded people or people with epilipsy (sp?). I know a retarded fellow and I have two epiliptic friends and they're not bothered by it at all. The poem "Baa Baa Black Sheep" - there was a lot of controversy over this poem. Why? You do get black sheep. You tell me ten black people who are offended by this song. Politically correct people always complain that stuff may offend certain people, but they never ask whether those certain people are actually offended. A person in my class wouldn't sing at the Carol Choir because she was afraid she might offend some Christians - she wasn't Christian, you see. I can see where she was coming from but there were loads of non-Christians and Christians alike singing together that had no problem with it. Of course, this is just my opinion. That, and my religion states that "not everyone can be equal; not everyone can like each other and it is foolish to try." I did not put that in a spoiler tag because of political correctness. I just didn't want to offend anybody out of sheer politeness.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 17, 2006 20:27:36 GMT
I can't stand political correctness. There are very few things in this world that no one is offended by, so everyone who is offended by something should just ignore it instead of complaining.
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Post by stuart7 on Sept 17, 2006 20:53:38 GMT
I can't stand over-the-top political correctness either. I found it ridiculous that such little things can cause such terrible controversy. These people should worry more about sorting out the real enemies - the criminals - than picking on things which don't really need to be picked on.
One thing about it which has irked us is the fact that 'Thomas' was accused of being sexist, due to 'male engines pulling around female coaches' and 'male engines always rescuing the female ones'. Daft, really.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 17, 2006 21:03:16 GMT
Yeah, they can't even say "Fat Controller" in America. "Fat" is like the second f-word over here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2006 21:31:41 GMT
Well how about these, it isn't a blackboard in a classroom, its a chalkboard and a white board now has to be a pen board!
There are several other things that have been taken too far but for my biggest dig I will use a word which outside this forum could potentially cause me a lot of trouble; The word I should totally be banned, because I am an asshole. goes back further than apatite and other black vs white tensions take for example my Grandmother would go into a shop asking for some I should totally be banned, because I am an asshole. brown cotton, can you imagine what would happen now? Also they are bringing out a new Dam Busters film, but one of the characters can't have his dog in it anymore, guess what his name was!
One more thing, they have introduced female characters into lead roles for TTTE but there is one thing that they are missing that too me now is as obvious as Molly running through a world war two Princes Street Edinburgh station. All of the characters have white faces, now where do the ethnic minorities come into that? If they solve that problem the world has gone mad!
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inuprincess
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Post by inuprincess on Sept 17, 2006 21:34:57 GMT
Yeah, they can't even say "Fat Controller" in America. "Fat" is like the second f-word over here. xD. That is true. Americans want things to be innocent and friendly...but it is kinda weird that Americans are some of the most rudest ppl on the planet. ::shrugs:: I am against over the top political correctness. I only like little political correctness. Ex- my friends from Ohio sometimes refer Spanish ppl (Puerto Ricans, Cubans,etc) as Mexican. I get offended by since since my grandmother is Cuban. I don't like the idea of ppl referring us to Mexicans, because we have a different unique culture..little things like that. I did think that prior to Emily, it was kind of weird that there were no girls in the main cast. I was a little girl who liked Thomas but it seemed like by only having a male centered cast, the show was only meant for boys. (Don't kill me for saying this but) I'm happy for Emily and I actually like her personally. ^.^ Overall, I think some political correctness is meant to just help us respect one another...on the other hand, some other political correctness was created by some extremeness type people, xD. Spacewizard Don't worry, you're ok. ^.^
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Post by inuprincess on Sept 17, 2006 21:44:26 GMT
Well how about these, it isn't a blackboard in a classroom, its a chalkboard and a white board now has to be a pen board! There are several other things that have been taken too far but for my biggest dig I will use a word which outside this forum could potentially cause me a lot of trouble; The word I should totally be banned, because I am an asshole. goes back further than apatite and other black vs white tensions take for example my Grandmother would go into a shop asking for some I should totally be banned, because I am an asshole. brown cotton, can you imagine what would happen now? Also they are bringing out a new Dam Busters film, but one of the characters can't have his dog in it anymore, guess what his name was! One more thing, they have introduced female characters into lead roles for TTTE but there is one thing that they are missing that too me now is as obvious as Molly running through a world war two Princes Street Edinburgh station. All of the characters have white faces, now where do the ethnic minorities come into that? If they solve that problem the world has gone mad! I don't think the trains or any of the other vehicles have white faces. o.o They have grey faces, they are vehicles and nonliving things so they don't have race/ethicity. A machine can't have an ethnic background, xD.
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Post by edwardblue on Sept 17, 2006 21:51:44 GMT
Though I personally don't care much about it, I think being politically correct has its pros and cons. On one hand, it provides an equal opportunity for everyone to shows that sometimes opposites can do things that their counterparts can. (I hope you get what I'm saying here.)
On the other hand, it has problems in its own right. Since the U.S. always wants things to be innocent and friendly as inuprincess said, they have to constantly change or edit media we get from foreign countries, like 'Thomas & friends'. However, a big factor here is Japanese anime, since the U.S. edits out any scene that has nudity, scenes with emotion, friendly-type scenes that are considered 'friendly' in Japan but not other parts of the world, etc.
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Post by Alaric on Sept 17, 2006 22:00:44 GMT
A machine can't have an ethnic background, xD. A machine can't really have a gender either, but... I mean, it's common to percieve machines like steam engines as female, but I find that most of them appear male to me. Does that mean that I'm being politically incorrect, or is it the other people? Or is it both, or neither? I'm so confused!
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 17, 2006 23:41:00 GMT
Listen to this, I read it in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago. Since muslim people don't believe in paying interest, in some parts of Long Island they don't have to pay interest rates on things like cars, houses, or other things. That is just absurd. If you live in America, you have to live by our laws.
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Post by inuprincess on Sept 18, 2006 2:59:46 GMT
That is absurd. I believe in equality for all. Eveyone should pay it, unless they are rich...in which they pay more. xD
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You're not being politically incorrect. I mean they're vehicles so it doesn't really matter. I just think (don't kill me) in Thomas & Friends, there should be girls like Emily...to make little girls who watch the show more welcomed. Hey, my little cousin only watches it when Emily is on, other than that, she won't give it a second glance. ::shrugs:: I'm being serious.
I see the trains I ride everyday as males and females. xD I'm weird, I often write comics about these trains. It's like Thomas & Friends except the main character is a girl, xD. Really cute. I would post them, but photobucket shrinks my larger pictures..
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Post by tm85 on Sept 18, 2006 4:31:12 GMT
Listen to this, I read it in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago. Since muslim people don't believe in paying interest, in some parts of Long Island they don't have to pay interest rates on things like cars, houses, or other things. That is just absurd. If you live in America, you have to live by our laws. Exactly. My opinion on this is if you don't like the laws of the country your living in then leave. They try to do it here in Australia as well. Case in point Sydney in 2004. They voted in a left wing loon for a mayor. Christmas time rolls around and no decorations just a little tree above town hall. Now usuallly every Christmas Sydney is buzzing with decorations, lights, christmas trees. not in 2004. Her reason was 'I don't want to offend non Christians' I know many non Christians and they don't give a damn who celebrates Christmas or not.
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Post by StarTodd on Sept 18, 2006 7:02:20 GMT
TM85's point raises something: All you Brits, recall Birmingham City's sad attempt at a non-Christmas Christmas? "WINTERVAL" I think it was called. EVERYONE shouted it down.
Please, DON'T get me started or I fear I shall blow the entire forum up...
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Post by FlyingScotsman on Sept 18, 2006 11:04:36 GMT
I know what you mean. I'm an atheist, but I accept Christmas and Easter (come on, am I really going to give up my time off work?). I object to having other people's religions forced upon me, but isn't it just as offensive to tell someone they can't celebrate their own beliefs?
Language has obviously changed over the years, and it's now offensive to use certain phrases that were once both acceptable and commonplace. I agree that they should be dropped because they are, frankly, offensive. For example, it was once possible to buy shoe polish in the shade "I should totally be banned, because I am an asshole. brown". This sort of thing creates an "us and them" mentality. What I think is needed is a compromise. Remove this sort of language, but teach children about it, and why it is wrong to use it, in schools. Simply pretending the problem never existed is stupid - the unpalatable fact is that racism, sexism and religious persecution are a significant part of history. Think the Holocaust, the Civil Rights movement, the Suffragettes. I also think it's necessary to make sure that political correctness doesn't overwhelm reasonable debate. I'd say I'm more friendly towards immigration than many middle-class white English people, but I don't think that someone objecting to it is ipso facto racist.
Having said all that, the whole "blackboard" thing is stupid. It's a board, it's black. I'll repeat Stepneydudette's comment - find me ten black people who are offended by it. Soon we won't be allowed to refer to people as black or white because we might offend black or white people.
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Post by OJ on Sept 18, 2006 12:01:12 GMT
Political correctness can be good and bad. Where people with disabilitys are concerned it's a good thing. As I've once said I have Aspergers and I hate being labeled. I've been told you're not supposed to use the term "disabled people" istead you use people who are disabled.
I agree with what has been said about the "blackboard" theory.
Political correctness in TV shows can be annoying. What people have to know is that when shows Thomas were first introduced males were doing more things than females. About the whole damsel in distress thing, Daphne is Scooby doo was refered as one and I don't see Scooby Doo being attacted. Thomas was (people made a big thing when Thomas and Toby rescued Mrs Kyndly in Thomas's Christmas party) So some people do ignore political correctness.
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Post by Kate669 on Sept 18, 2006 13:27:52 GMT
Speaking as a girl who has been watching Thomas since he first puffed onto ITV in 1984... I've never had a problem with the fact that most of the characters are male. I've never had a problem with coaches being thought of as female, nor do I think of females on the show as "pushed around" or "needing to be rescued" all the time. Most of the PC hawks bashing Thomas seem to forget that the founder of the TV series is a woman, and a high-powered business-executive type at that. My favourite example of the silliness of political correctness is the whole "African American" thing. Technically, Dave Matthews is African-American (born in South Africa and grew up in America). I've also read that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's new baby girl, having been born in Namibia, has the right to claim that country as her nationality along with America. Now, I do agree with FlyingScotsman on the argument that certain terms are offensive and should not be used. Just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean they should use it in a manner demeaning to another person.
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Post by bocodiseasel on Sept 18, 2006 18:44:18 GMT
Political Correctness is ok but it's gone too far IMO.
The 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' thing. The word Rainbow just does not go! I know many people who's last name is black! What do they have to do now? Change it to Mr and Mrs Rainbow? I think that it's gone over the top. Over the bar, smegged up.
And I know about the Brainstorm thing. It has to be called a 'Thoughtshower'! Rabbish!!
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 18, 2006 19:22:56 GMT
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this, but it is a ridiculous story. Okay. I was in eighth grade a few years ago, and one day I was wearing a red shirt. It just so happened that was a "gang related color" and I was nearly suspended. Apparantly it was the anniversary of some gang event and anyone who was wearing red was considered a "gangbanger". I was able to talk myself out of it, but that was without a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever experienced in school.
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